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Free healthcare save 2 trillion not cost 32 trillion  

rick315875 65M
13314 posts
8/1/2018 4:41 am

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8/1/2018 7:05 pm

Free healthcare save 2 trillion not cost 32 trillion


Free healthcare save 2 trillion not cost 32 trillion over a 10 year period.

Libertarian Study Shows Medicare-For-All Saves $2 Trillion
https://youtu.be/mH9O0MRjvLg

Bernie Sanders Thanks The Koch Brothers For Proving His Point
https://youtu.be/mseqVTXVbHs

List of countries with universal health care
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care



rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 7:05 pm

    Quoting AlvinBooth:
    Seems I've heard something like this before ... hummm ... let me think ... oh ... I got it. Back in 2008 Obama said his health care program would reduce premiums by $2500.00 per family. How many millions of folks got suckered into believing that?

    Well .... let me tell ya ... any time any politician tells you they will save you money or give you something free by instituting or expanding some government program be prepared to bend over and grab your ankles. That is ... if you are working and paying taxes. If not ... then that may be a sweet deal for you.

    And in the interest of full disclosure ... I don't trust any politician from any side. The only difference is who I distrust the most.

    AB

I can understand how you feel about not trusting our government with regards to free healthcare. Especially with what happened with Obama. I was hopeful of Obama's healthcare plan. But I soon realized it was a pile of shit and only catered to the drug companies and health care providers. But I am willing to give the social Democrats an opportunity to prove themselves. Why not give them a chance. The status quo with our government is doing nothing for us so why not give some new blood a chance to prove themselves.


AlvinBooth 70M
5468 posts
8/1/2018 5:09 pm

    Quoting rick315875:
    Free healthcare save 2 trillion not cost 32 trillion
Seems I've heard something like this before ... hummm ... let me think ... oh ... I got it. Back in 2008 Obama said his health care program would reduce premiums by $2500.00 per family. How many millions of folks got suckered into believing that?

Well .... let me tell ya ... any time any politician tells you they will save you money or give you something free by instituting or expanding some government program be prepared to bend over and grab your ankles. That is ... if you are working and paying taxes. If not ... then that may be a sweet deal for you.

And in the interest of full disclosure ... I don't trust any politician from any side. The only difference is who I distrust the most.

AB


No Bozos


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 12:38 pm

    Quoting positively4you:
    I am not convinced of Canada and England. I do remember a story some yrs ago of a Canadian government official coming to the U.S. for her breast cancer treatment. Wonder why. A friend of a friend in England has needed a knee replacement for yrs yet denied. So, he cannot work so they put him on the dole for yrs. He cannot work and pay taxes so they spend a huge amount of more money to pay him not to work instead of giving him the surgery so he can work. Makes great sense. Government anything is usually inadequate.
I am sure that those are legitimate concerns. So what you're saying because of these concerns you don't want free healthcare. That makes no sense.


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 12:32 pm

    Quoting Bitoserviceu58:
    I can't wait for the progressives to run on "free" healthcare, college, food, jobs, open borders, abolish Ice, etc.
    I will laugh as they lose those races and start crying all over again.
    MAGA
I feel sorry for you. Just listen to your argument. Just listen to what you're saying. You are telling me that you can't wait for America having free healthcare an opportunity for free college for people to afford being able to feed their families with food for people to have a living wage so they can have jobs that actually pay them enough money to live. You're arguing that you can't wait for those things to fail. What's wrong with you? Why would you want those things to fail? I feel sorry for you, because the media and our government has got you so brainwashed that you actually believe that free healthcare is bad and we can't pay for. Which is complete bullshit, because our government doesn't want you to have free healthcare, because they are bought and sold by corporations that don't want you to have free healthcare, because that means they have to pay higher taxes and they don't want to pay taxes they want the government to give them trillion dollar tax breaks which we can't pay for and don't pay for.


Bitoserviceu58 69M
8 posts
8/1/2018 11:32 am

I can't wait for the progressives to run on "free" healthcare, college, food, jobs, open borders, abolish Ice, etc.
I will laugh as they lose those races and start crying all over again.
MAGA


positively4you 74F  
4605 posts
8/1/2018 10:19 am

I am not convinced of Canada and England. I do remember a story some yrs ago of a Canadian government official coming to the U.S. for her breast cancer treatment. Wonder why. A friend of a friend in England has needed a knee replacement for yrs yet denied. So, he cannot work so they put him on the dole for yrs. He cannot work and pay taxes so they spend a huge amount of more money to pay him not to work instead of giving him the surgery so he can work. Makes great sense. Government anything is usually inadequate.


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 9:53 am

    Quoting alohashirt50:
    it seems that some people want illegals to be taken care of before our own. Nothing is free , The one I laugh about is people wanting college loans to be forgiven, they signed on the line for that loan and now they have to pay it back. or if they want student forgiveness , how about everyone who owes on a loan get forgiveness? may as well make it fair for all.
Your understanding and reasoning is bizarre.


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 9:50 am

    Quoting positively4you:
    Ask our veterans how wonderful their free healthcare is going.
Yes because our government is corrupt. Democrat and Republican alike. That's why we need Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Justice Democrats. Who actually care about people not corporations. When are you people going to wake up the rest of the world is way ahead of us.


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 9:47 am

    Quoting  :

Taxes pay for your free healthcare. when they say free healthcare they mean you don't pay out of pocket when you go to see the doctor you just go to the doctor and get medical treatment. Did you watch the video? The guy in the video is Canadian. He has free healthcare. And he is perfectly happy with it. And so is his government. So why does Canada have free healthcare? Why do so many European countries have free healthcare


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 9:43 am

    Quoting alterego10000:
    Free? Money falls from heaven to pay for it? Doctors, nurses, hospitals, diagnostic equipment, medicines, all free? Wow that's special.
Did you watch the video? The guy in the video is Canadian. He has free healthcare. And he is perfectly happy with it. And so is his government. So why does Canada have free healthcare? Why do so many European countries have free healthcare?


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 8:05 am

    Quoting pocogato12:
    Nothing in the world is truly FREE. We all pay for it somewhere along the line.
    THE VA is in abysmal shape, the Vets are going without and the non-citizens are even getting food stamps. It is NOT equitable fro we the citizens who
    pay through the nose ( and other orifices). Yes, I am hot under the collar.
    I am one of our society with my astronomical medical bills, I can get no assistance even a little bit. Tell this to the "powers" who even get their insurance for free- tell them to support the American citizens and stop this bullshit about "free"
I'm sorry to hear that your medical bills are so terrible.


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 8:01 am

List of countries with universal health care
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

Free health care: Free health care is a publicly funded health care system that provides primary services free of charge or a nominal fee to all its citizens, with no exclusions based on income or wealth.[2]

Universal health care: Universal health care is a health care system that provides healthcare and financial protection to more than 90% of the citizens of a particular country.[3]

Country Free health care Universal health care
Albania Yes Yes
Algeria Yes Yes
Andorra Yes Yes
Antigua and Barbuda Yes Yes
Argentina Yes Yes
Armenia Yes No
Australia Yes Yes
Austria Yes Yes
Azerbaijan Yes No
Bahamas Yes Yes
Bahrain Yes Yes
Bangladesh Yes No
Barbados Yes Yes
Belarus Yes Yes
Belgium Yes Yes
Benin Yes No
Bhutan Yes Yes
Bolivia Yes Yes [4]
Bosnia and Herzegovina Yes Yes
Botswana Yes Yes
Brazil Yes Yes
Brunei Darussalam Yes Yes
Bulgaria Yes Yes
Burkina Faso Yes Yes
Cabo Verde Yes No
Canada Yes Yes
Central African Republic Yes No
Chile Yes Yes
China Yes Yes
Colombia Yes Yes
Congo Yes No
Cook Islands Yes Yes
Costa Rica Yes Yes
Croatia Yes Yes
Cuba Yes Yes
Cyprus Yes Yes
Czech Republic Yes Yes
Côte d'Ivoire Yes No
Democratic Republic of the Congo Yes No
Denmark Yes Yes
Djibouti Yes No
Ecuador Yes Yes
Egypt Yes No
El Salvador Yes No
Equatorial Guinea Yes No
Eritrea Yes Yes
Estonia Yes Yes
Ethiopia Yes No
Fiji Yes Yes
Finland Yes Yes
France Yes Yes
Gabon Yes Yes
Georgia Yes Yes
Germany Yes Yes
Greece Yes Yes
Guatemala Yes No
Guernsey Yes Yes
Guyana Yes Yes
Honduras Yes No
Hong Kong Yes Yes
Hungary Yes Yes
Iceland Yes Yes
India Yes No
Iran Yes Yes [5]
Ireland Yes Yes
Isle of Man Yes Yes
Israel Yes Yes
Italy Yes Yes
Jamaica Yes Yes
Japan Yes Yes
Jersey Yes Yes
Kazakhstan Yes Yes
Kiribati Yes Yes
Kuwait Yes Yes
Kyrgyzstan Yes No
Laos Yes No
Latvia Yes Yes
Lesotho Yes No
Libya Yes No
Liechtenstein Yes Yes
Lithuania Yes Yes
Luxembourg Yes Yes
Macau Yes Yes
Macedonia Yes Yes
Madagascar Yes No
Malawi Yes No
Malaysia Yes Yes
Maldives Yes Yes
Malta Yes Yes
Mauritius Yes Yes
Mexico Yes Yes
Moldova Yes Yes
Monaco Yes Yes
Mongolia Yes No
Montenegro Yes Yes
Morocco Yes No
Myanmar Yes No
Namibia Yes Yes
Nauru Yes Yes
Nepal Yes No
Netherlands Yes Yes
New Zealand Yes Yes
Nicaragua Yes No
Niue Yes Yes
North Korea Yes Yes
Norway Yes Yes
Oman Yes Yes
Pakistan Yes Yes
Palau Yes Yes
Panama Yes Yes
Papua New Guinea Yes No
Paraguay Yes Yes
Peru Yes Yes
Philippines Yes No
Poland Yes Yes
Portugal Yes Yes
Qatar Yes Yes
Romania Yes Yes
Russia Yes Yes
Rwanda Yes Yes
Saint Lucia Yes Yes
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Yes Yes
Samoa Yes Yes
San Marino Yes Yes
Saudi Arabia Yes Yes
Serbia Yes Yes
Seychelles Yes Yes
Singapore Yes Yes
Slovakia Yes Yes
Slovenia Yes Yes
Solomon Islands Yes No
South Africa Yes No
South Korea Yes Yes
Spain Yes Yes
Sri Lanka Yes Yes
Swaziland Yes No
Sweden Yes Yes
Switzerland Yes Yes
São Tomé and Príncipe Yes No
Taiwan Yes Yes
Tanzania Yes No
Thailand Yes Yes
Timor-Leste Yes Yes
Togo Yes No
Tonga Yes Yes
Trinidad and Tobago Yes Yes
Tunisia Yes Yes
Turkey Yes Yes
Tuvalu Yes Yes
Uganda Yes No
Ukraine Yes Yes
United Arab Emirates Yes Yes
United Kingdom Yes Yes
Uruguay Yes Yes
Uzbekistan Yes Yes
Vanuatu Yes Yes
Venezuela Yes Yes
Viet Nam Yes No
Yemen Yes No
Zambia Yes Yes
Afghanistan No No
Angola No No
Belize No Yes
Burundi No No
Cambodia No No
Cameroon No No
Chad No No
Comoros No No
Dominica No No
Dominican Republic No No
Gambia No No
Ghana No Yes
Grenada No No
Guinea No No
Guinea-Bissau No No
Haiti No No
Indonesia No No
Iraq No No
Jordan No No
Kenya No No
Lebanon No No
Liberia No No
Mali No No
Marshall Islands No No
Mauritania No No
Micronesia No No
Mozambique No No
Niger No No
Nigeria No No
Saint Kitts and Nevis No No
Senegal No No
Sierra Leone No No
Somalia No No
South Sudan No No
Sudan No No
Suriname No No
Syrian Arab Republic No No
Tajikistan No No
Turkmenistan No No
United States No No
Zimbabwe No No


alohashirt50 73M

8/1/2018 6:59 am

    Quoting Freeonereturns:
    Sure but it's because nobody get served. Well as things are going now we will make sure the illegals get well taken care of.
it seems that some people want illegals to be taken care of before our own. Nothing is free , The one I laugh about is people wanting college loans to be forgiven, they signed on the line for that loan and now they have to pay it back. or if they want student forgiveness , how about everyone who owes on a loan get forgiveness? may as well make it fair for all.


pocogato12 71F  
37235 posts
8/1/2018 6:45 am

Nothing in the world is truly FREE. We all pay for it somewhere along the line.
THE VA is in abysmal shape, the Vets are going without and the non-citizens are even getting food stamps. It is NOT equitable fro we the citizens who
pay through the nose ( and other orifices). Yes, I am hot under the collar.
I am one of our society with my astronomical medical bills, I can get no assistance even a little bit. Tell this to the "powers" who even get their insurance for free- tell them to support the American citizens and stop this bullshit about "free"

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positively4you 74F  
4605 posts
8/1/2018 5:49 am

Ask our veterans how wonderful their free healthcare is going.


alterego10000 63M  
262 posts
8/1/2018 5:31 am

Free? Money falls from heaven to pay for it? Doctors, nurses, hospitals, diagnostic equipment, medicines, all free? Wow that's special.


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 5:11 am

    Quoting Freeonereturns:
    Sure but it's because nobody get served. Well as things are going now we will make sure the illegals get well taken care of.
With free healthcare everyone gets "served", including immigrants. And yes illegals.


Freeonereturns 63F

8/1/2018 5:02 am

Sure but it's because nobody get served. Well as things are going now we will make sure the illegals get well taken care of.


rick315875 65M

8/1/2018 4:43 am

Free healthcare save 2 trillion not cost 32 trillion


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